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1994-03-25 14:36Pete AshdownMy ride from the airport writes: > Funny. I was prepared to hate this. But it's not bad. M

From:: Pete Ashdown <pashdown@xmission.com>
To:: Intelligent Dance Music <idm@techno.Stanford.EDU>
Date:: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 07:36:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject:: saw what?

My ride from the airport writes:

quoted 5 lines Funny. I was prepared to hate this. But it's not bad. Mind you,

> Funny. I was prepared to hate this. But it's not bad. Mind you, > it's not *great* either and anyone who seriously thinks that Richard > James has created anything strikingly (or even vaguely) new or > innovative here needs a *major* lesson in industrial culture, but hey, > it's pleasant enough background music.

I thought it was majorly ironic that this album came from someone who was putting down trance as being "three notes repeated over and over." I have a hard time seeing Rich as doing anything else on this album.

1994-03-25 18:00- Greg EarleJon Drukman: > 5:29 distorted beat >... > 7:14 flutey ascension with percussion > >> Funny

From:: - Greg Earle <earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US>
To:: <idm@techno.Stanford.EDU>
Date:: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 10:00:48 -0800
Subject:: Re: SAW what?
Reply to:: saw what?

Jon Drukman:

quoted 9 lines 5:29 distorted beat

> 5:29 distorted beat >... > 7:14 flutey ascension with percussion > >> Funny. I was prepared to hate this. But it's not bad. Mind you, >> it's not *great* either and anyone who seriously thinks that Richard >> James has created anything strikingly (or even vaguely) new or >> innovative here needs a *major* lesson in Industrial Culture, but hey, >> it's pleasant enough background music.

Pete Ashdown:

quoted 3 lines I thought it was majorly ironic that this album came from someone who was

>I thought it was majorly ironic that this album came from someone who was >putting down Trance as being "three notes repeated over and over." I have a >hard time seeing Rich as doing anything else on this album.

Geez, the Aphex backlash starts here, eh? Erm, as far as "strikingly new or innovative" goes, I haven't heard anything from "Industrial Culture" in several years that deserves that appelation. On the other hand, the track Jon dubs "Distorted Beat" wipes the floor with every "Industrial" song I've heard in recent memory. It f*ck*n' cranks, dUUd! (-: And I would hardly call SAW II a "Trance" album ... but isn't this like saying because it's "three notes repeated over and over", then therefore it's just like a Ramones album? (-: Trivia: the track Jon calls "Flutey ascension with Percussion" is the track he opened with in San Francisco. He also might have played "Blue Calx", but by then my brain was in a parallel universe ... (-: - Greg

1994-03-25 18:15Jon DrukmanGreg Earle <earle@isolar.tujunga.ca.us> writes: >Geez, the Aphex backlash starts here, eh?

From:: Jon Drukman <jdrukman@us.oracle.com>
To:: <idm@techno.Stanford.EDU>
Date:: Fri, 25 Mar 94 10:15:33 PST
Subject:: Re: SAW what?
Reply to:: Re: SAW what?

Greg Earle <earle@isolar.tujunga.ca.us> writes:

quoted 1 line Geez, the Aphex backlash starts here, eh?

>Geez, the Aphex backlash starts here, eh?

actually, i never liked him that much so i can't really have a backlash...

quoted 2 lines Erm, as far as "strikingly new or innovative" goes, I haven't heard anythin

>Erm, as far as "strikingly new or innovative" goes, I haven't heard anything >from "Industrial Culture" in several years that deserves that appelation.

absolutely right, and i was referring to Old Industrial Stuff, actually. i hear echoes of stuff that throbbing gristle, zoviet france, cabaret voltaire and nurse with wound did many years ago all over SAW 2.

quoted 3 lines On the other hand, the track Jon dubs "Distorted Beat" wipes the floor with

>On the other hand, the track Jon dubs "Distorted Beat" wipes the floor with >every "Industrial" song I've heard in recent memory. It f*ck*n' cranks, dUUd! >(-:

i have no argument with that. recent memory industrial is definitely lame as fuck. but SAW 2 is a throwback to an old era of industrial culture. perhaps i should have said industrial history instead of culture in my original review. Jon Drukman jdrukman%dlsun87@oracle.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This calls for a very special blend of psychology and extreme violence.

1994-03-25 18:43Dave ManningOn Fri, 25 Mar 1994, - Greg Earle wrote: > And I would hardly call SAW II a "Trance" album

From:: Dave Manning <dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu>
To:: - Greg Earle <earle@isolar.tujunga.ca.us>
Cc:: <idm@techno.Stanford.EDU>
Date:: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 12:43:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject:: Re: SAW what?
Reply to:: Re: SAW what?

On Fri, 25 Mar 1994, - Greg Earle wrote:

quoted 3 lines And I would hardly call SAW II a "Trance" album ... but isn't this like say

> And I would hardly call SAW II a "Trance" album ... but isn't this like saying > because it's "three notes repeated over and over", then therefore it's just > like a Ramones album? (-:

No, no, no -- the Ramones use three _chords_. :-) DM ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu:::::::::: :: "Tonight all I need is silence." :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::--Rollerskate Skinny::::::::::

saw what?