quoted 18 lines like art people are really cool with just sitting
> like art people are really cool with just sitting
> somewhere and seeing what
> happens,
> and might be annoyed with people trying to 'party'
> to the music.
> then the raver types have less expectations about
> seeing somebody perform,
> but they also are open to just hearing sounds come
> from 'some box'.
> at the same time, they want to have some fun.
> then the rock kids are more used to actually seeing
> somebody do something,
> and may or may not be patient for somebody just
> hitting 'play'. although
> they may in fact want to rock out.
>
> really it boils down to interacting with things the
> way you want to,
Yeah this post totally sums up my attitude towards the
dynamic of a lot of IDM events I've been to. Well put
Andy; the ironic thing is I have been at one point or
another totally absorbed in all three of these
"Scenes" - rock, arsty, and rave. I think all have
thier good qualities and annoyances, and a lot of the
annoyance comes from people not understanding or bieng
close minded towards other "scenes". That is what
makes "scenes" so fucking lame, is they set up this
exclusiveness and create formulas for music and
behavior. I think I've had a lot of fun in life,
bopping around from one subculture to another, getting
fresh views and whatever. I think the one thing I
really dont like is mainstream pop culture, that
bites. I think what is emmerging now is this sort of
mishmash of different styles and subcultures. Which
can and has created a lot of friction, especially on
this list. But it doesnt have to. I think this
blending is a totally fucking cool thing.That way new
interesting music and culture forms emerge. In that
spirit I propose that if you are about to post
something knocking on something you dont like, make
sure you know where that is coming from. Like you have
immersed yourself and understand that "scene". And
then beyond that for sure taste is the ultimate
deciding factor, but just ragging one someone because
you arent into the way they look or a lack of
understanding or appreciation for thier music is just
dumb. There is a lot of bad music out there, but also
lots and lots of good music, in all genres, that if
you can appreciate what that person was trying to do
with that music,then you are a much better listener in
general. Oh yeah and I threw a party where Cex played
last week, and my review of it is as follows. For
starts Ryans music, its really good. The stuff off his
cds without singing on it is excellent. As far as
stripping, running around and whatever else he does
live, it really kind of enthused the crowd way beyond
what would have happened had he been sitting
spellbound in the glow of his laptop for an hour. Not
that thats bad though, I dont require musicians to
amaze me with thier stage presence, as long as the
music is good. So I could have done with less stage
antics and more music, but thats me. Other people are
into watching someone run around and yammer. Which is
cool cause then everyone is happy, or unhappy,
depending on which element they liked or didnt. He
definitley stirs up a lot of interest for himself that
way, considering the ammount of posts about him tha
last few days.
--- cutups <cutup@andythepooh.com> wrote:
quoted 154 lines the thing is "IDM" and laptop or computer made music
> the thing is "IDM" and laptop or computer made music
> (the laptop seems to be
> a keyword,
> but really...it doesn't matter if its a laptop or a
> huge tower) cover a huge
> possible spectrum.
> its really not a style at all, although some people
> seem to want to use it
> as a style,
> like i'm going to check out this 'laptop' show.
>
> its all sort of still new to people at large, so its
> not really
> unforgivable.
> but its really on an artist to artist basis.
> there's no right or wrong way.
>
> i think a bit of the weirdness comes from where the
> music has come from and
> who the audience is.
> theres this confusing mix of 'art' people 'ravers'
> and 'rock' people, not to
> mention the non-categorizable
> weirdos that make up alot of the audience. and they
> all have different
> expectations.
>
> like art people are really cool with just sitting
> somewhere and seeing what
> happens,
> and might be annoyed with people trying to 'party'
> to the music.
> then the raver types have less expectations about
> seeing somebody perform,
> but they also are open to just hearing sounds come
> from 'some box'.
> at the same time, they want to have some fun.
> then the rock kids are more used to actually seeing
> somebody do something,
> and may or may not be patient for somebody just
> hitting 'play'. although
> they may in fact want to rock out.
>
> really it boils down to interacting with things the
> way you want to,
> and if you're a performer performing the way you
> want to.
> and it never hurts for everybody to be a little more
> open minded.
>
> - cutups
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Connor Bell" <momofliggins@telocity.com>
> To: "donna bean" <keekee@telocity.com>;
> <idm@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [idm] re: Cex live
>
>
> > > Having just had the pleasure to see Cex do his
> thing in Lexington Ky
> > > recentlyi have to say-Cex puts on the ultimate
> live performance-hes wild
> > > with great energy-gets the whole creowd
> involved-is musically amazing
> while
> > > being something that almost anyone could
> enjoy-amazing amazing
> amazing-one
> > > of the best shows ive done in years and
> years-what all laptop performers
> > > should see before thinking of playing for a
> crowd!
> >
> > Not to start all this live laptop: boring or not?
> discussion (which I
> > thoroughly enjoyed by the way)...
> >
> > I am about to embark on my first solo show (in
> Louisville, KY actually)
> most
> > likely almost entirely on the laptop and I have
> agonized quite a bit being
> > from a rock and roll background on what I could do
> to keep the crowd
> > entertained. Both bands I'm in incorporate
> electronics into our rock show
> > but involve more sequencing than live
> manipulation.
> >
> > I think it's an issue of what your goals are.
> While I certainly intend on
> > incorporating other things into my live shows
> (which I hope will be more
> > visually stimulating) I also very much want this
> solo experience to allow
> me
> > to explore other things that perhaps didn't
> involve the rock atmosphere or
> > instrumentation. My goal has been, at least
> initially, to create
> > environments in which I would very actively be
> affecting the sound. I
> didn't
> > want to just hit play though if I did at least
> then I'd be able to play
> > something else accompanying the computer. I have,
> at least right now,
> felt
> > like I've been able to explore the mixing of rock
> with electronic in my
> > other two bands. So why do it in a 3rd live
> vehicle?
> >
> > Ultimately what it boils down to is that I'm
> making these sounds for me to
> > enjoy, and hoping others may enjoy it too. No,
> this will not be a
> visually
> > stunning first show, in fact I would love it if
> people just closed their
> > eyes and got into the music for what it is and not
> for what it isn't.
> > People should know what they're getting into at
> shows and if you go to see
> > Oval or something one shouldn't be expecting the
> energy of a rock show.
> >
> > As for Cex I really enjoy his music and appreciate
> what he's doing. I
> think
> > it's great that he's bringing some humor and
> energy to the live show. But
> I
> > get this impression that people assume that if
> someone is not exciting
> live
> > that they just don't get it. But while action may
> be Cex's goal, that may
> > not be the case for others who make the conscious
> choice to explore other
> > aspects of live performance.
> >
> > Peace,
> > Connor
> > --
> > paden . http://paden.cjb.net .
> > parlour . http://www.parlour.net .
> > shedding . ON THE WAY .
> > momo and voks . ON THE WAY .
> >
> >
> >
>
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